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ABC: West Australian Greens Senator Jordan Steel-John also hears from people and their families.

JSJ: So from across the country we get calls from people who have been placed under these processes, under these systems and they feel trapped. They feel like they are policed in who they can talk to, often prevented from seeing family members or friends. They often say to us they are being charged exorbitant fees for services that they don't understand or never requested.

ABC: There are state and international laws which say people under guardianship and administration must be included in decision making but the Senator says that's not happening. What do you think about that?

JSJ: I think particularly here in Western Australia we see a system where basically the advocate makes the decision for the person rather than engage in a process of supported decision making. Now, that's really quite unacceptable, given that Australia has committed to the United Nations framework convention on the rights of disabled people.

ABC: The Greens are now calling for gag laws to be revoked around the country. Jordan Steele-John thinks stopping people from speaking out has helped governments keep a lid on the problems in the system.

JSJ: I think it does suit government that both people under both Public Trustee and The Public Guardian are currently unable to speak out and the journalists are prevented from reporting on these situations because in the absence of the voice of the affected person and in the absence of the voice and advocacy of the journalists into these cases, then there is very little chance there will be pressure on them to engage in changing this system.